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12/12/2009, 10:08 AM A and C Joined on 12/07/2009 Posts 13 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? PPrune has changed over the years, it was set up and run by a pilot and had become the number one aviation website for all that was not "official" news. The site was run by a pilot with help from other pilots for pilots and others working in aviation, at one time they even had a bursury to help wannabes get a type rating. All has now changed as the website was sold to a businessman. this guys attitude is that he will have no one using the site in any way that might be used for advertising, after all he now owns the website and wants to get as much money as he can from it. So if you want to promote an aviation event, airfield or any other happening you will have to pay and take advertising space. This attitude also holds good for answering direct questions to subjects raised on the forums if you own a business that opperates in that field and might be usefull to the person asking the question or others, this the site owner considers as advertising. The guy is undoubtedly very blunt in the way he replys to anyone he considers to have broken the rules and as he owns the website and he makes the rules that is his to do. PPrune is now has only one funtion and that is to make money for the owner, it is not public property or a public service for the aviation comunity.    Report

12/12/2009, 5:07 PM Aviator|Chris Joined on 28/01/2009 EGBO / Birmingham Posts 301 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? Indeed A and C, I will never become a member, although I read a lot of threads on there. Sometimes I have the urge to contribute to certain threads when I have information to give, but it just seems so hostile sometimes that one badly worded sentance can spark a negative chain reaction against your Username. Also some of the people who contribute on there already, who are or claim to be professional pilots have such opinions and "expressive talents" that make me wonder how they fit into the Aviation scene, as the people i've met so far are some of the most polite individuals i've met in my 24 years.    Report

22/04/2010, 6:55 PM cubdriver Joined on 22/04/2010 Posts 2 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? I have to say until recently I had not been on PPRUNE for some years. But following the ash cloud incident I went on the site and made a few posts. My views were moderated by a very rude individual. I have no problem with being disagreed with but the language from one moderator was unbelievable. I recall in the past PPRUNE was a friendly site but despite several attempts to engage this individual in conversation I did not get a single reply. I doubt he would behave as he has if he thought people knew who he was. I would love to run in to this chap. I imagine he is a small man with a large inferiority complex! Shame it used to be a well run site. I really hope he is not a pilot as he claims as he sounds like a CRM disaster. If he is a pilot he needs to remember aviation is a small world!    Report

22/04/2010, 7:11 PM cubdriver Joined on 22/04/2010 Posts 2 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? Well now I see there is a possible name for the offending individual! Good job I am not vindictive! Hope he really is the offending moderator as I would hate to see an innocent man accused in public. Perhaps time to stick with plan A and not visit PPRUNE again! Shame was a good site once.    Report

24/04/2010, 7:09 PM princepilot Joined on 29/05/2007 Posts 24 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? Hi, Well i had the intention of opening my own forum a while back. Lots came up which put it off. Im now in the process of actually doing it now so could all parties interested in joining please email me at matthewprince@live.co.uk with your ideas and thoughts. Matt    Report

12/06/2010, 8:33 AM Savoia Joined on 12/06/2010 Milano, Italia Posts 2 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? Reading through this blog has turned out to be the most amusing 30 minutes of my week and has resulted in me joining PilotWeb. Thank you all for providing such class entertainment. Perhaps the originally contributing gentleman's concept of documenting the antics of bloggers and moderators isn't as drab as it first seems!    Report

29/07/2010, 4:05 PM fuzzy6988 Joined on 16/04/2010 London Posts 4 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? Recently just after I logged in, the pprune website said "Server too busy. Please try again later". I contacted them to see whether there was a problem with my account. Rob Lloyd (the moderator) replied and said, "The mods have put the brakes on your account" because I was "Posting for the sake of it... Being very, very light on content... utterly out of control". He said, "Quality of content please or go somewhere desperate for traffic... We really don't need it and are happy to train brutally". A shocking response. I completely disagreed with his statements. Threads get deleted after you've spent time responding to it. Then I had a look at their rules: "This team also retains the right to remove any post, any thread and/or any member for any reason or no reason at all". Rob's response has been blunt and rude, their forums are poorly moderated, and their customer service extremely poor. Here's a thread to highlight how rude he is: http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/414683-eminence-air-charter-www-inept-poseurs-co-uk-post5683656.html#post5683656 Look at "PPRuNe Towers".    Report

29/07/2010, 6:08 PM McGoo Joined on 21/02/2010 Posts 15 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? I'm not involved with PpRune or any website for that matter but I'm not sure what you are expecting fuzzy?? 1, If you got a message saying server busy, please try again later, then why not try later instead of messaging people, imagine if everyone did that? 2, The rules you looked at, you have to agree to before you register, if you don't agree with them, don't go there it's simple, its their site and can run it how they see fit, same if you had your own site, you would make your own rules and enforce them. 3, complaining about customer service is a bit rich, by definition a customer is "A person who buys goods or services from a shop or business", as Pprune doesn't charge to be a member, its fair to say you are not a customer. 4, The thread you have linked to was started by a guy trying to promote his own business for free and was caught out, I imagine I would be rude to someone who tried to rip me off.    Report

30/07/2010, 12:47 AM fuzzy6988 Joined on 16/04/2010 London Posts 4 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? 1. Because the 'Server Too Busy' problem only occurs to my account. Not to anyone else's. It was clear that the servers were not too busy at the time and that my account was deliberately stopped for the sake of it because some mod got fed up with my posts. Not because I had violated any of its terms and conditions. 4. The guy may or may not have been trying to promote a business. He could be just a user sitting at a computer where the business was located, and consequently got flamed. But assuming he really was trying to promote his business, then after that level of rudeness, do you think he would want to pay pprune (or recommend others in future) to get anything advertised on that site? I wonder if this mod is also responsible for collecting your advertising money, but stops showing your ads on the site when he suddenly decides he doesn't like you anymore. In summary, I would have expected someone to have at least the courtesy to ask me to cut back on posts which he doesn't think is suitable for the forum - I could have happily complied - and to apply a block as a last resort.    Report

30/07/2010, 3:47 PM McGoo Joined on 21/02/2010 Posts 15 Re: How Rrude is Pprune? I can't comment on the other issues but I've had the 'server too busy' message lots of times, usually at peak times and every time there is a crash as all the worlds press is trying to log on to get the story.    Report

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